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RE: FCE - Bad Boy Bad Boy - 09-11-2009

Cycler, yes, it is so very true. And when I write on this issues, I write them not only from I seen happen to me, but also from what I learned from reading, research, from doctors and surgeons. Plus, like I said, as medication factors in as on how it can have an effect on each person in a total different way. Remember when I talked about how Vicodine was causing to lumbar area to increase in pain. Where in fact it may not do this to anyone else we speak to here.

Now, an FCE is only as good as the effort put into it, and then again that goes for the person performing it, making out the report.

As said before, put 25 people into a room, watching and reporting on the FCE, and we are going to see 25 different reports. This also goes for X-rays and MRI's and such.


RE: FCE - freebird - 09-11-2009

Bad Boy Bad Boy Wrote:Cycler, yes, it is so very true. And when I write on this issues, I write them not only from I seen happen to me, but also from what I learned from reading, research, from doctors and surgeons. Plus, like I said, as medication factors in as on how it can have an effect on each person in a total different way. Remember when I talked about how Vicodine was causing to lumbar area to increase in pain. Where in fact it may not do this to anyone else we speak to here.

Now, an FCE is only as good as the effort put into it, and then again that goes for the person performing it, making out the report.

As said before, put 25 people into a room, watching and reporting on the FCE, and we are going to see 25 different reports. This also goes for X-rays and MRI's and such.

You keep saying your research, your readings your this etc. Excuse me if I am off base here but what Qualifications do you have above someone such as I or any other IW who has been in the system several years?

I definitely do not know everything about the WC system but this is not my first rodeo either. 6+ years and I am still learning everyday.

Your justification in your "take" of a FCE Exam seems biased to me but then I tell myself This is just a opinion that suits your outcome in the WC System.

What if I told you from my research, my readings and actual real world data with taking 2 FCE's, I disagree with most of your observations?

For the most part, I believe a FCE delivers the results most IW's are looking for. Can they be rigged? You betcha but the therapist who does this risk losing his liscense, his job, his integerity. Most will not do this.

There is a world of wrong with the WC system but also there is a world of miunderstanding the WC system concerning the IW and even there Attorney's.

If I have learned anything in the last 6 years it is this; FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! Study and become knowledgeable. We might get knocked down but get up because we refuse to be knocked out!


RE: FCE - Cycler - 09-11-2009

"For the most part, I believe a FCE delivers the results most IW's are looking for. Can they be rigged? You betcha but the therapist who does this risk losing his liscense, his job, his integerity. Most will not do this."

unsupported allegation and highly improbable.

But who cares.


RE: FCE - Bad Boy Bad Boy - 09-11-2009

Freebird, let me say, never have I tried to make you a subject to any of my postings.

Yes, I have knowledge of the wc system, labor laws and such. I also worked with helping Work Comp Attorneys. I even fish with them. I think for the most part, I been trained quite well.

I am not saying rigged a test or an FCE. I am say, use of objectiveness can widely vary.

Use of medications, from one person to the next is always going to vary.

The research and studies are out on the net to see and read.

On my last human operated FCE, when my heart rate was going off scale, it wasn't mentioned in the report. Yet, I was told to stop what I was doing, sit, relax, deep breath and all till it came down. Then at another task till my heart rate went off scale again. I've been down this road. Many may not have. They were even taking my blood pressure and all to make sure the monitor I was wearing wasn/t off. And it wasn't. So by leaving something like that out, yes, you get an incorrect report. The doctor's and surgeons can't read it, because it wasn't there. Like I said, things can and do happen. Then you have to do like me, an pay for your own FCE to get a proper report.

Freebird, I'm glad yours work out well for you. That's great.


RE: FCE - freebird - 09-11-2009

Bad Boy Bad Boy Wrote:Freebird, let me say, never have I tried to make you a subject to any of my postings.

Yes, I have knowledge of the wc system, labor laws and such. I also worked with helping Work Comp Attorneys. I even fish with them. I think for the most part, I been trained quite well.

I am not saying rigged a test or an FCE. I am say, use of objectiveness can widely vary.

Use of medications, from one person to the next is always going to vary.

The research and studies are out on the net to see and read.

On my last human operated FCE, when my heart rate was going off scale, it wasn't mentioned in the report. Yet, I was told to stop what I was doing, sit, relax, deep breath and all till it came down. Then at another task till my heart rate went off scale again. I've been down this road. Many may not have. They were even taking my blood pressure and all to make sure the monitor I was wearing wasn/t off. And it wasn't. So by leaving something like that out, yes, you get an incorrect report. The doctor's and surgeons can't read it, because it wasn't there. Like I said, things can and do happen. Then you have to do like me, an pay for your own FCE to get a proper report.

Freebird, I'm glad yours work out well for you. That's great.

When you paid to have your own FCE done, was this report used or the first one scheduled by WC or either in your settlement?

Just wondering, What was the difference in findings?


I am not trying to pick you apart. I am astonished at your self proclaimed knowledge of how a FCE should be administered according to your Knowledge base.
As I stated before, I was not given a option of whether to take my meds or not to take my meds. It only makes sense to me that a IW would take his regular meds as he would on a routine day. If one cannot function on his meds without impairment, The Doctor needs to know and the meds adjusted OR One should be rated PTD.
I have not been fishing with any WC Attorney's but I have been around the block a time or two.



RE: FCE - Still in Limbo - 09-11-2009

Freebird, Just an Observation on My Part, a Guy that has been through 2 FCE's Myself, 5 Years in the System, 15 Hearings and the Appeals Process, 14 Total Petitions in My Case, and I've Won 13 1/2 of them, Plus the Appeal. Just a Quick look at where I've been, I have been on this Site for a Good While, and Bad Boy doesn't come Here to Offend, try and Act More Knowledgeable than Others, He is Here as Many of Us are to Help Other Injured Workers that haven't Quite Reached where We are Yet. I can See that You have a Good Deal of Knowledge that will Help Many Here also. Your Case May have gone Well, I Hope Anyway, while Others such as Mine and Bad Boys have been Tooth and Nail, because Mine as an Example is a Mid 6 Figure Settlement Figure that They in No Way want to Pay, so I have seen the Bad and Broken Side of w/c More than I have seen the Good Side. Bad Boy is Very Well Versed, and will take the Time to Research above and Beyond, and You seem to know a thing or Two Yourself. My Opinion Only, Can't We just put it All Together, Your Info., Mine, Bad Boy's, and Others Here and Help the Ones along that are No Where as far along as We Are? That's what this Site is All about. Again Just My Opinion, and Have a Great Day!!Wink


RE: FCE - Bummer Knees - 09-11-2009

Great post Still In Limbo!

Well said!


RE: FCE - freebird - 09-11-2009

Still in Limbo Wrote:Freebird, Just an Observation on My Part, a Guy that has been through 2 FCE's Myself, 5 Years in the System, 15 Hearings and the Appeals Process, 14 Total Petitions in My Case, and I've Won 13 1/2 of them, Plus the Appeal. Just a Quick look at where I've been, I have been on this Site for a Good While, and Bad Boy doesn't come Here to Offend, try and Act More Knowledgeable than Others, He is Here as Many of Us are to Help Other Injured Workers that haven't Quite Reached where We are Yet. I can See that You have a Good Deal of Knowledge that will Help Many Here also. Your Case May have gone Well, I Hope Anyway, while Others such as Mine and Bad Boys have been Tooth and Nail, because Mine as an Example is a Mid 6 Figure Settlement Figure that They in No Way want to Pay, so I have seen the Bad and Broken Side of w/c More than I have seen the Good Side. Bad Boy is Very Well Versed, and will take the Time to Research above and Beyond, and You seem to know a thing or Two Yourself. My Opinion Only, Can't We just put it All Together, Your Info., Mine, Bad Boy's, and Others Here and Help the Ones along that are No Where as far along as We Are? That's what this Site is All about. Again Just My Opinion, and Have a Great Day!!Wink


I have no issues with this.
I am just amazed that a IW can get a prescription written for a personal FCE that cost a lot of Money.
My state requires a prescription has to be written by a Doctor for a FCE. A normal IW cannot do this without it.

I cannot help myself but question how he arranged this and what the cost was. I might want to do this myself.


RE: FCE - Still in Limbo - 09-12-2009

If You would Send Bad Boy a Private Message, I'm sure He would be More than Happy to Assist You. Bad Boy has been at this for a Long While, and He took Me under His Wing when I came Here, and the Knowledge I Learned from His is Priceless in My Eyes! I'm Sure He could Guide You in the Right Direction!! My Best, and Enjoy Your Weekend!Wink

Thanks Bummer!!Smile


RE: FCE - freebird - 09-12-2009

Does the state of Illinois require a Doctors written prescription to have a FCE performed?

How much does a FCE cost out of pocket?

My state of Louisiana requires a prescription from a qualified Doctor such as a Orthopedic or Spinal Specialist per my Attorney who is extremely sharp in the WC World and is extremely expensive. The Therapist who perform a FCE are certified in this area and either a PT or a OT.

I have no idea how I could ever get a personal FCE done. Any help with this would be appreciated.