everyone who has had an EMG

[Bad Boy Bad Boy]

But hey, Cycler, I also have a damaged C 8 nerve that Babe is stating they may have. But, my daily 24 X 7 burn is in the upper outer part of my arm, right below the shoulder. When I was tested with an EMG/NCS test, I and my Doctor had been told nothing is wrong with such Nerve. This very well may happen to Babes here. And if so, I just might have an answer that makes good sense to why.

Cycler, here it is, something Science couldn't figure out.

Have you ever heard the term Nerve short circuit?

When Nerves are traced to muscles, these nerves have a connection, and then they split off again. Remembering their path is both ways. < > So when a Nerve is said damged at say the Cervical area. It could show good in the arm area for then the short circuit is making a completion. But, lets test at the neck, to say, outer upper arm, the Nerve still shows good. reason is, nerve connection completed a path.

Now lets not forget the layers of a Nerve. 1, 2, and 3. When the first layer is pulled back, or lets say showing, and it touches something which allows it to make a connection, it's a short circuit. When layer 3 is gone, the Nerve is then broke, damaged, and in most cases for life.

There was one medical study performed using medication, and then no Medication. It was done to try and prove the medication factor Science in a known person with Parkinson. The results were, they used people to perform the EMG/NCS test on this people, having no knowledge of the Parkinson. Test one, medication, showed a problem, but could not verify Parkinson. Test 2 no medication, and using other people, could verify Parkinson. Then these test were reveresed, by switching the opeators of the machine. The results were the same. Eqaul to say for the most part. Now, my understanding of this testing, was they had to use a known source for one, then add in the factor's of medication, verse non-medication. The Science showed, people with Parkinsons, were not verified by the testers while on their medication.

Now, I wrote that now, and not before. My reason is, to show you, what an Attorney can bring to a hearing with them. As you could then see the high cost factor of trying to fight a simple Science issue.

So, we ask, why our doctor's say no meds, and why others say take your meds but not certain meds. Is it because our doctor's know, the issue that can be brought up in a hearing? Maybe so. I don't know, I never asked one yet. But I'm sure I will ask one soon.

Sorry for any Mis-spelled words, for I have C8 nerve damage that does affect my right hand, and my fingers do what they like to do.

[Cycler]

B4:

EMG/NCV do not pick up what is termed small fiber injury. Unfortunately, small fibers are what is responsible for referred pain patterns also termed sclerotogeneous pain patterns and that's why EMG/NCV cannot be used to diagnosis pain. There are text book diagrams out there of the common cervical referred pain patterns. But a C-8 level problem will also involve a C7 area for other anatomic reasons. So you are correct and so is the Dr, in that the EMG will not show it.

[Bad Boy Bad Boy]

Cycler, thanks, and here below is a Pain Chart that shows just what you stated.

http://www.chiropracticposter.com/sclerotomes.html

As I do know, a problem nerve, inflamed nerve, can show the pain in an area away from it's main source of problem. So say, at C4 level nerve is inflamed, yet the pain is in the shoulder blade area, or arm, or even in the hand, way far away from the cause. In a sense, this is why I was Mis-Daig the first time I went and seen my doctor, when he stated I had a torn Rotator Cuff. Which I didn't and still don't to date. I would have been treated for the wrong thing if I stayed with that doctor, and yet my life could have been at risk with the Cervical Damage I had. Or, the wrong treatment simply just kill me.

Just a note of mine;

This is why, I like to watch the TV show (HOUSE) Dr. House and his team at work. I know it's just a show. But, it does show how doctor's will have all different medical opinions when it comes to a patient. I don't watch the show just to see Dr. House have an attitude problem, for I hear he is like that in real life also. I watch, for the truth of medical findings and difference of medical opinions can save or simply kill a person.

Hey Cycler, what you think about my Lab Rat experiment. You give it any thought as of yet. There are two answers to it. One for the EMG, and the other for the MRI.

[hurt at work]

may be some day the cycle can see and feel what its like in our shoes.but until then this person will not know what each day brings,as far as hurting,can hardly walk or stand,ride or enjoy the things you did before you got hurt.instead of being a a$$ walk a mile in our shoes just once,because if you had then you would not talk as you do and if you are in our shoes then you are a hurt and depressed person looking to hurt others for your own pain.Cycler I was nice this time as I dont want to be like you and I care about the people here.

[Cycler]

Hurt,

I have a bad back. No surgeries but a bad back none the less.

Was I an ass ? Sorry. I thought I was being glibly informative. Someone took exception to what I said. Off it went from there I guess.

Go to side effects section at bottom.

http://www.permanente.net/homepage/kaise...56891.html

[buildergirl1973]

all i can say is you guys are very smart and knowledgeable, i don't have any of these issuse, but i am always learning.

[hurt at work]

cycler,I mean no harm and im fused from S-1-L-4 with permanent nerve damage at S-1 and L-3-L-4 and I have been through this test more then once and every time the dr doing the test said no meds and hell he is in a wheel chair.i will be with out my legs soon because of the nerve damage so I get up set when i read about a emg,because no one would listen to me.other than the dr that done the emg.So im SORRY.

DO NOT BE WISE IN WORDS,BE WISE IN DEEDS.

[Babebahn]

Just to let you know...a did my research online, most of them did say not to take certain meds, or no meds or some meds...
I DID NOT TAKE ANY MEDS PRIOR TO THE TEST!
The bruises are starting to appear...and I am looking forward to reading the report, once I do I will let you all know what it says...

Thank you for your comments and the spirited debates.
Babe

[Still in Limbo]

Cycler My Intent was Just that, to have Babe not take the Meds., (I Know Your Take on it),was for Their Benefit to Level the Playing Field, as Bad Boy has Said, and in My Post You May have Noticed that there was a Foot Note on My EMG, (Without Meds.) of how Uncomfortable and how I Seemed to be in Above Normal Pain during the Testing. That's the Part the Judges Read, they don't look at the Graph's and MRI's they Read the Notes, Depositions and Dr. Reports,along with any Other Evidence Introduced. These are things I Personally have Won when the Hearing Door was Shut with,, and was Only trying to Pass that on, as I Personally had Success with it! I would Never try to Scare or put any Injured Person on this Board in any Undue Pain, My God I'm on 4 Hours Sleep in the Last 48 Hours from Pain, I've taken 21 Total Pills Today, and My Bodies Shot, I Understand Pain! Again Thank You for Your Contribution, and the Defense's Tactic of the Limo Ride for Me was a Very Ingenious One, but as I Said it did Back Fire, due to My Condition, this Well Known Defense Dr. wouldn't Stretch His Neck Out on My Case, as He had on Many Others, that May not be as Severe as Mine. You See, He's One of the Ones the Judges have Pegged as a Bought and Paid for Defense Dr., but it's the Only Shot they Had Left, as No One else (Defense Dr. Wise) would See Me after they saw My Films!