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RE: helthcare - red1030 - 10-26-2009 12:32 AM
Wink Wrote:red1030 Wrote:However, I will say and have said, that I believe that all people with some responsibilities attached do have a right to healthcare the same as our taxes pay for our schools because our children have a right to an education. Is that program a social type program? What about our firemen or our police officers and so forth, tax payer pay for this also. Why do we have to draw the line with healthcare.
Those things are only government funded - not government run. There's a huge difference between the two, red.
Wink I agree... they are funded. Then why can't healthcare be run the same way, a not for profit organization that is not ran by the government. However, I would like to point out that the superintendents of every school district do report to an elected board of individuals who in turn report to our majors and govenors. Wink I don't disagree with what you are saying just some of how it is said. I feel that we can grab ears more readily by stating opinions without all the other garbage that people get lost in. I want healthcare for all, but I also want their to be some responsibility such as how we live our lives etc. The American dream as we say is that if your "work hard" you can achieve an American Dream. Take a look at me except forget the part where I joined the US Navy. I married at 17, had three children by the age of 22. I dropped out of highschool in the middle of my junior year. My mother or father do not have high school educations. My father doesn't have any education as he was the oldest of 12 kids and he worked all his life. He doesn't even read. He can sign his name on a check book or contract and that is all. I have two brothers which only one has a high school education. I have 56 first cousins on my dad's side, and 37 on my mom's side. There is only one other than me who has any college at all. On the other hand, they all have jobs, live in nice homes, and have done very well for themselves with the except of a couple who have come down with an illness that they can't pay for. The American Dream works if you stay healthy. It doesn't work if you are removed from mainstream America because of a work injury, a disabling disease etc. When I went through my masters program my schedule was like this:
monday through Wednesday 6 am - 4 pm clinic
5-9 pm classes
10-2am study
Unless I had a paper due the next day then I was up all night.
thursday: 6 am to 4:30 pm field at Magee Rehab center
Friday: Same as Monday through Wednesday.
then becasue I had to pay for this education and didn't want to take out more loans that I was still paying for ... I did this
Saturday 7am - 11:30 pm worked at a nursing home as a nursing supervisor
Sunday 7 am - 3:30 pm at the nursing home.
Sunday was catch up day for all the studying that didn't get done. I did this for 19 months and graduated with a 3.89. also towards the end of it, I was the smoking cessationcoordinator and did therapy on the side for the US Navy.
Now what if I had not been in the Navy...... I would be out a job, hopefully on SSDI which will pay some healthcare through medicare, but what if I wasn't picked up by Medicare... how would I survive without my medications which cost around $21,000.00 a month. I am so thankful that I don't have to worry about this, but someone pays for it. Do you follow what I am saying. I lost my ability to have the American dream if not for one decision I made in my life when I was diagnosed with MS. This is my only concern.
I don't like the way it appears to be going down in congress. I have not read the bill of course so I don't know what is in it. From what I have heard there is a lot of issues with it and I don't like the idea of the employer taking a big lost as a result or that people will have to pay for insurance etc. So what can be done. I feel that the major issue is that insurance companies, pharmacy companies run the healthcare systems. Why does my medication cost so much. I understand research and I understand that they want to get their money back... why so that they can make a profit. Healthcare I do not believe should be about profit just like our schools, policeman, fireman, and so many other systems are not about profit. If the insurances companies continue to exist in the healthcare arena then profit needs to stop, and healthcare given. That is my concern. Can you explain to me where my thinking is off base and why? I may have left a lot out here due to tired fingers... a discussion would be great. Red
RE: helthcare - Cycler - 10-26-2009 09:00 AM
My neighbor, an orthopedic surgeon, is a graduate of a top Ivy League University and medical school, volunteers his time to go to underdeveloped countries to teach and operate and is also the head of the local chapter of the state medical society. In other words, a pretty smart guy.
He likes to explain to folks who are interested in the challenges facing physicians in private practice today; (i.e me) with declining pay for services rendered and increasing costs of overhead by stating that the patients belong to the insurance company anymore, not the Dr.
Consider the ramifications of that statement.
RE: helthcare - admin - 10-26-2009 09:08 AM
Here is a very interesting story that ties in nicely with recent posts. It ran yesterday in our local paper.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091025/ARTICLE/910251082
RE: helthcare - Bummer Knees - 10-26-2009 10:03 AM
A local doctor is doing something similar to this with his practice.
It started out as a way to provide health care for the uninsured and has grown.
RE: helthcare - OldManOnCampus - 10-26-2009 10:07 AM
Wink Wrote:Perhaps there is a misunderstanding what government is. How are these organizations government funded but not government run? The fire and police department are a part of local, county or state government. Public schools are government run-just a different level of government.red1030 Wrote:However, I will say and have said, that I believe that all people with some responsibilities attached do have a right to healthcare the same as our taxes pay for our schools because our children have a right to an education. Is that program a social type program? What about our firemen or our police officers and so forth, tax payer pay for this also. Why do we have to draw the line with healthcare.
Those things are only government funded - not government run. There's a huge difference between the two, red.
RE: helthcare - Bad Boy Bad Boy - 10-26-2009 10:37 AM
ADMIN, nice article. Doctor goes from Bankrupt almost, to taking $600.00 per patient. It's said at about a few hundred patients. Few = what 300 patients? Okay lets say 300 patients. That is he now automaticly went from bankrupt to making $180,000.00 yearly. Not bad for this doctor.
Now the Patients get to see their doctor. But, what about Lab test, Blood work, Prescription Medications, stay in a hospital, and so on. Seems like the patients still need some kind of Insurance coverage to me.
Sounds like a personnel gain to the Doctor here, more then it does show complete medical help. For only a small portion of this article shows a savings to the patients. But, hey, it keeps the Doctor making money, and now at a much higher income then what they were making before.
RE: helthcare - Bummer Knees - 10-26-2009 11:07 AM
Bad Boy
Our local doctor that has a similar program tells his patients they still need health insurance.
His claim is with regular appointments & preventive care there will be less chance of hospitalization.
RE: helthcare - stiffnecked - 10-26-2009 11:46 AM
Cycler Wrote:My neighbor, an orthopedic surgeon, is a graduate of a top Ivy League University and medical school, volunteers his time to go to underdeveloped countries to teach and operate and is also the head of the local chapter of the state medical society. In other words, a pretty smart guy.
He likes to explain to folks who are interested in the challenges facing physicians in private practice today; (i.e me) with declining pay for services rendered and increasing costs of overhead by stating that the patients belong to the insurance company anymore, not the Dr.
Consider the ramifications of that statement.
An unattributed statement that you just made up is meaningless. It has no merit.
RE: helthcare - admin - 10-26-2009 12:16 PM
Bad Boy Bad Boy Wrote:ADMIN, nice article. Doctor goes from Bankrupt almost, to taking $600.00 per patient. It's said at about a few hundred patients. Few = what 300 patients? Okay lets say 300 patients. That is he now automaticly went from bankrupt to making $180,000.00 yearly. Not bad for this doctor.BadBoy, you missed some key points in this article. The doctor doesn't make squat at 300 patients. Trust me, his staff of 3 or 4 people will cost him that or more. How about his rent? Malpractice insurance? Phone? Electric? Supplies? Taxes? All of his other overhead?
Now the Patients get to see their doctor. But, what about Lab test, Blood work, Prescription Medications, stay in a hospital, and so on. Seems like the patients still need some kind of Insurance coverage to me.
Sounds like a personnel gain to the Doctor here, more then it does show complete medical help. For only a small portion of this article shows a savings to the patients. But, hey, it keeps the Doctor making money, and now at a much higher income then what they were making before.
I simply posted this as an example of a creative way that some people can address cost issues in medicine. For some people interested in consistent care, $600 a year is a bargain.
RE: helthcare - admin - 10-26-2009 12:22 PM
And to Cycler and Sitffnecked, we know you don't like each other. Let it go. Move on.