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RE: 2 AM - Bummer Knees - 10-17-2011 08:18 PM
Legl you sounds just like my brother-in-law, brother, nephew & niece.
I come from a family of law enforcement, from, public safety officer.....state trooper, deputy sheriff, and UN special forces.
RE: 2 AM - bodybuilder1958 - 10-17-2011 10:45 PM
Sorry but I wouldn't turn in a guy who's just trying to feed his family. Besides, if he got caught I betcha he'd have tons of people offering to help him. That's what happened to my brother-in-law about 20 yrs ago, just trying to provide for his wife and kids. Fines paid, meat in the freezer and a better job to provide for his family.
He didn't use a gun, he used a bow. Selling that bow wouldn't provide much food. If he did get caught Bronco, send me his address I'll send him some money.
Here in KS we have deer that die every year from starvation because the deer tag cost is so high. Unless you can gut the deer yourself (I can show you how to do it), it's cheaper to buy the meat at a market.
I also have family in law enforcement and each and every one of them understand why my brother-in-law did it and wouldn't point a finger. People are going hungry, winter is coming, many people are homeless. I betcha that family with that deer eat each and every bite. I would do the same if my family needed the food. My late mother could tell you about eating skunk and being happy they had the meat.
RE: 2 AM - bronco54501 - 10-18-2011 06:31 AM
The first thing that comes to mind MR do right is, He is providing a meal for his family, not robbing the liquor store.. Deer is very populated in the northwoods and in fact when you buy your tag they give you a bonus tag with it.. I never said he didnt have tags and by saying out of season I meant after hours. It is legal between the hours of about 6am to 7 pm, but I know for a fact he didnt track that deer til 2am....
And I do agree the law is the law and I shouldnt turn look the other way.. But this family has had thier own share of bad luck.. They lost thier home because the econemy went south, job to job until that company went under.. Construction was good here untill people quit spending money to buy new homes or do upgrades..
And I never said he used a gun, and even if he sold his bow he wouldnt get hardly a weeks worth of meat.. You must be a vegitarian (spelling) As a kid growing up there was 4 of us that hunted in my family, each were given 2 tags for a buck and a doe. You can make alot of different meals out of venison, and if you cut it right it can go a long ways....
.LeglEgl , No pun intended but I think your smart enough to do the math on how many deer that is.. People do what they need to to survive in our area. Not all people get hand outs........
RE: 2 AM - LeglEgl - 10-18-2011 08:10 AM
(10-18-2011 06:31 AM)bronco54501 Wrote: Tby saying out of season I meant after hours. It is legal between the hours of about 6am to 7 pm, but I know for a fact he didnt track that deer til 2am....
You SAID out of season. That really makes no difference...it's called poaching.
Quote:And I do agree the law is the law and I shouldnt turn look the other way..
And yet, you did. Having knowledge of a criminal offense and condoning it makes you an accomplice after the fact.
Quote:But this family has had thier own share of bad luck.. They lost thier home because the econemy went south,
Along with 4 million other Americans who've lost their jobs, not to mention those who have lost their homes as well. We all have our dose of bad luck.
Quote:And I never said he used a gun......
My mistake - he used a bow - it still applies. Poaching in Wisconsin carries a $2,000 fine, the loss of the weapons and a three-year mandatory loss of all hunting and fishing privileges.
Quote:....even if he sold his bow he wouldnt get hardly a weeks worth of meat..
If you can't afford meat, you obtain your protein from other affordable food sources - i.e., beans. You're still not justifying this.
Quote:You must be a vegitarian....
Far from it. There are very few vegetables I like. Still, why would that make a difference ? IT'S ILLEGAL.
Quote:The first thing that comes to mind MR do right .....
So, you think it's alright to violate the law because it's beneficial to the one who has done so, and you resort to name-calling ?
Let's not forget, the laws are in place for a reason. These hunters are shooting at deer in the dark and can’t see what is behind it. There are farmhouses, buildings, barns and livestock scattered in these rural areas also occupied by deer. There is a real safety issue here.
If you AND your neighbor thought it was justifiable to shoot a deer for no other reason than to feed the family, then why do it under the cloak of darkness ? If others would support this action, why hide it ? Why don't you take a poll there in Rhinelander or Monico..... see what the voting public has to say about it.
RE: 2 AM - bronco54501 - 10-18-2011 09:10 AM
Monico....lol..... Way to funny.. I see you have done some research, if you would look a bit deeper the zip code includes more... If there was a poll to take place in Monico I can alsmost expect 90% would say yes.. In rhinelander About 50%, but I know its still the law.
You asked why do it at night, if they could afford the hefty fines and you forgot to mention and may include your vehicle too, they would simply be able to afford to buy it...
My saying mr do right, it was not calling you a name but calling you on your actions.. I bet you have never ever crossed the law in anyway....etc blow through a stop sign, walk on a dont walk.....I believe I may need some high boots because its getting a bit deep.......lol..
RE: 2 AM - LeglEgl - 10-18-2011 09:58 AM
(10-18-2011 09:10 AM)bronco54501 Wrote: You asked why do it at night, if they could afford the hefty fines .....they would simply be able to afford to buy it.....
You've misquoted me. I said if they think there's nothing wrong with poaching, why do it in the cover of darkness ?
Quote:I bet you have never ever crossed the law in anyway....etc blow through a stop sign, walk on a dont walk.
Actually, I haven't; at least not intentionally. There's no need to think that rules and laws are made to be followed only when you think getting caught might be harmful to you. I've been driving for over 40 years, and haven't had as much as a parking ticket. That's because I respect the law. That's why I enforced it for nearly 20 years, but also why I defended those accused of violating it for almost 10 years.
Let me tell you something - you don't know a thing about me, my life, or what I've gone through over the past several years.
I'm calling it as I see it (or rather as you presented it). Your neighbor, according to you, violated a law that far exceeds a stop sign or crosswalk, and you're trying to justify it. You're accepting it as OK, assuming there is no other way for him to feed his family. The lack of meat is not going to drive one to starvation. I suppose it would be OK for him to shoot a neighbor's cow late at night and smuggle it off to the deep freeze ?
Quote:.....it was not calling you a name but calling you on your actions....
Calling me on my actions ?!? And what actions are those ? The fact that your neighbor, based on your presentation, acted without regard to the law, and then lied to you - supposedly a friend and neighbor, and that I pointed out the obvious ?
RE: 2 AM - jayne - 10-18-2011 10:33 AM
before you all get into a pissing contest...if I read it right the neighbor used a bow to hunt it during the day when IT WAS LEGAL TO SHOOT BUT IT TOOK INTO THE NIGHT TO TRACK IT DOWN... now being a responsiable hunter and animal lover isnt that the right thing to do? not leave a wounded animal to suffer?it is here in Okla where it is also Bow season.Animal cruilty is agaisnt the law..
RE: 2 AM - LeglEgl - 10-18-2011 10:39 AM
(10-18-2011 10:33 AM)jayne Wrote: before you all get into a pissing contest...if I read it right the neighbor used a bow to hunt it during the day when IT WAS LEGAL TO SHOOT BUT IT TOOK INTO THE NIGHT TO TRACK IT DOWN... now being a responsiable hunter and animal lover isnt that the right thing to do? not leave a wounded animal to suffer?it is here in Okla where it is also Bow season.Animal cruilty is agaisnt the law..
You'll also notice that the person posting the original remarks later said "I know for a fact he didnt track that deer til 2am...." That clearly implies that the poster was sure that the deer was taken late at night, not during hunting hours.
It's silly to defend somebody when you weren't there, and based on the "uncorrected" first version. Had it been left at "shot the deer during the day and tracked it there" without adding "at 2 a.m.", I wouldn't have thought anything about it.
As a hunter, Jayne, you know this is irresponsible as well, and disrespectful to honorable sportsmen(women).
RE: 2 AM - jayne - 10-18-2011 11:09 AM
I dont hunt....I grow my own...I feed them well worm them and make them nice and fat.....But if my kids were hungry I would do what ever I had to do to feed them.You havent been hungey enough or seen your kids hungry enough if you dont understand that.I dont know about other states but here in Okla the deer and other wild animals are starving for lack of food in the wild...natural water sources are drying up and wild animals are coming into small towns and onto farms looking for food and water....this is gonna cause a problem....some people feed them thinking they are helping...they are not...city people need to inform themselves about wildlife.....its not a cartoon Bambi out there deer can and do alot of damage...wild large cats and bear do also.....
ahhhhhhhhh back to the pissing contest.....let him feed his kids.....its the start of a depression and its gonna get worse......if the fools vote Nobama in again its gonna take more than an ilegal deer to feed us...
RE: 2 AM - LeglEgl - 10-18-2011 03:28 PM
(10-18-2011 11:09 AM)jayne Wrote: But if my kids were hungry I would do what ever I had to do to feed them.
There are a lot of other ways to feed your kids without slaughtering a defenseless deer outside the restrictions of the law.
Quote:You havent been hungey enough or seen your kids hungry enough if you dont understand that.
I've been plenty hungry at different times when my kids were young and I was raising them on my own. I always found a way without looting and pillaging.
Quote:.....let him feed his kids.....
Absolutely, but let him do so legally.