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More Documents, Phone Calls and Practicing SAIF Sex

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Not to mislead, but the only sex in this story is metaphorical, yet apropos given the circumstances. It turns out there is a difference between “practicing safe sex” and “practicing SAIF sex”. Those “practicing safe sex” have taken precautions to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases or unwanted pregnancies resulting from intimate sexual contact.

Those “practicing SAIF sex” take precautions in the event legal action results after someone gets screwed.

And documents from the company indicate the board and others knew their actions against John Plotkin were likely to produce a wrongful termination suit. The first clue is simply the published agenda (available here) for the May 9th meeting where Plotkin was to be terminated. The first item of the Executive Session, which was closed to the public, was "Discuss potential or anticipated litigation".  The second item was "Discuss records exempt from public inspection".

It might appear an odd agenda for a well documented, justifiable termination. However, we are a litigious society, and it is always prudent to prepare for the worst. For me the indicator of how thin the evidence was against Plotkin was the time they took to discuss these topics. Scheduled for 15 minutes, they took over an hour and a half. Sounds like some of their ducks needed to be hammered into that row.

Even immediately after the meeting there was early indication that executives involved knew the company might face potential litigation. On Sunday, May 11th, two days after Plotkin was terminated, an email exchange between VP's Ryan Fleming and Chris Davie made this starkly apparent (available here). Davie asked Fleming if he would be available by phone, indicating in the exchange that he believed they "need some legal advice pre-litigation". Interestingly, Fleming noted in the exchange that he was "really struggling with what happened in the board meeting and the direct talks, and I am not ready for much yet."

While I have no idea what may have been the catalyst for Fleming's internal struggle, I know the specter of a couple hundred employees (forced to use vacation time) showing up to support the man you were instrumental in getting terminated can't be a great feeling. Definitely not a Kodak moment.

Interestingly, an intimidation complaint that emerged from Plotkins termination shows just how inconsistent the handling of personnel concerns is at SAIF. In the source documents (available here, which we have redacted to protect the department and identity of the employee) an employee files a complaint that VP Davie made him uncomfortable by "staring" at him during a display of support for Plotkin at that meeting. We see in the follow up emails that HR's apparent solution was to send this employee to speak directly with the man he complained about, where they “resolved” the issue. While I question the wisdom of letting the accused address the complaint, I also note that Plotkin did not get the opportunity to discuss his "transgressions" with any accuser. He wasn't even told who they were. In fact, he wasn't told there was a problem until his resignation was requested.

Of course, that could account for the 1 hour and 37 minutes the board spent hammering those possible litigation ducks into position. Perhaps they knew that their pending action was largely based on vaporware.

I should note, that for many of us, a complaint about "staring" might seem a tad, well, oversensitive. I believe this is a reflection of the culture at SAIF, and the perverse PC dogma that has been forced on that organization for many years. I have had discussions with several current and former SAIF employees as this story has unfolded, and one thing is clear; even blinking aggressively in that company can get you in trouble. (Read this story from a former SAIFer recounting the time he made fun of his own weight, and someone filed a complaint that he was making fun of fat people)

The phone records still present the greatest mystery in the buildup and immediate aftermath of the Plotkin termination (Not all records have yet been released). While we have no way to know or even conjecture what the dialogue may have been, they are interesting given the suspicions of employees toiling at SAIF.

VP Davie and Former CEO Brenda Rocklin appear to have spoken by phone no less than 95 times during and immediately after Plotkins time with the company. This includes a 66 minute call from Davie's cell on 5/10, the day after Plotkins termination, and a whopping 71 minute call on 5/15.

VP Fleming was very active on the phone, speaking to Rocklin at least 8 times and Colleen Sealock twice during the same period, and having a flurry of calls with all board members and the Department of Justice starting around April 29thup through mid-May. He had more than two dozen calls with Board members Van Cleave, Jensen and Balasubramani combined over that period, and spoke with board chair Cathy Travis over 60 times. He also called the DOJ almost 40 times during that period.

May 3rd, the day Plotkin was first asked to resign, was interesting, as Fleming appears to have engaged in 35 phone calls that day. In addition to a slew of calls between Travis and the DOJ, he also had an 8 minute, 17 second call with Brenda Rocklin at 1:37 in the afternoon. At 5:18 PM he had a 53 second call with Rocklin, then what appears to be a 3 minute, 45 second call with Plotkin via his cell phone at 5:23PM, and then at 5:28PM was back on the phone with Rocklin for 14 minutes, 52 seconds. Immediately after that call, he ended the day with a 23 minute call to Cathy Travis.

I will likely publish these logs in the future, so people can view and form their own opinions, but they are going to take some effort to redact to make sure no complete numbers are visible.

So, the lingering questions remain: Why so many calls with people who were not ostensibly connected to the situation? Why so many calls to DOJ for a justifiable termination over inappropriate language? Why no calls to John Plotkin starting April 29th and during the run up to the request for his resignation? And is it common for a corporate VP to routinely make so many calls to his company's Board Chair and other members?

Does that seem off to anybody, or am I just tilting at windmills?

One could easily surmise that the players in this melodrama did not feel as if they were on the most solid of employment footings with their actions. The phone records and emails certainly do not convey that image.  But ultimately what was said in all those calls, and in that closed Executive Session, can only be left to our imaginations.

And the Plotkin thickens……

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06/23/2014 16:34:20
Bam. Bob, you are finally unraveling what's really been going on. I'm eager for you to get through all the records.
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06/24/2014 14:17:00
Spoke with a contact today and they are switching to Liberty...."less drama". And so it begins.
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Rex Reed 06/23/2014 17:02:49
Regarding the phone calls: Clearly Davie and Fleming were involved in strategic, Plotkin termination related, discussions with Rocklin and Sealock. If you check their phone records days prior to these events you will see no calls by and between these parties of any duration if at all. Since after Rocklin left SAIF she had no official role there it was, at minimum, inappropriate of Davie or Fleming to discuss confidential personnel issues and illegal. I would think JP has a cause of action based on a preponderance of evidence right there. Rocklin should have directed the nervous nellies to their respective DOJ lawyers if they had legal questions. If she says, in her defense, she was merely discussing the tits vs. teats comments, used as an element of the pretextual basis for termination, she should have filed a complaint and made it part of the record. She never did. Why? Because it never happened and/ or she was not offended until it was convenient to alter the facts in her zeal to pile on with the other idiotic claims.

Clearly this thing has come off the rails. Their continued presence damages the reputation of SAIF and SAIF's hard working employees. By their behavior, Davie and Fleming have breached their fiduciary relationship between themselves and SAIF's employees and customers.

A fiduciary is a legal or ethical relationship of trust between two or more parties. In a fiduciary relationship, one person, in a position of vulnerability, justifiably vests confidence, good faith, reliance, and trust in another whose aid, advice or protection is sought in some matter. In such a relation good conscience requires the fiduciary to act at all times for the sole benefit and interest of the one who trusts. A fiduciary is someone who has undertaken to act for and on behalf of another in a particular matter in circumstances which give rise to a relationship of trust and confidence. No one will ever trust these two again and as such there is no place for them.
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Rex Reed 06/23/2014 17:50:29
Way before Watergate, senior administration officials hid behind anonymity.
Bob Woodward
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sylvester 06/23/2014 17:54:47
In regards to the staring complaint, I would truly love to hear how the conversation went with the employee and Chris Davie. Obviously the employee is not at a level below supervisor, just saying, because of the tone and casualness of the emails sent to Mr. Gilkey and Mr. Fleming or even using the reference line "Chris". Most of the employees in my pay grade would be writing a formal letter and submitting it through inter-office mail versus an email.

A hand shake and a pat on the back and everything is okay. Does this mean they were guaranteed they can voice their opinion or discuss their concerns with the EC Open Door policy. Or maybe they can be the first in line to discuss their concerns with the DOJ outside attorneys discussed in previous blogs. Or maybe just assured their job was safe as long as they understood the rules.

We the employees and employers of Oregon are still awaiting the Department of Justice to actually investigate this situation instead of take only what the SAIF BOD and EC determine is the truth.

Thank you Bob, for not letting this travesty of ethical and just behavior to be ignored
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A SAIF Chick 06/23/2014 18:21:22
Another ringer Bob. Dying to read what the calls were all about, like I dont know already.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott.
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06/23/2014 19:14:06
I've known employees that were terminated because they discussed confidential information with someone outside of the company. The fact that anything is being discussed with Brenda is in violation of the privacy laws we must follow, according to our employee policy manual. I'm sure all those calls between BR & Davie were just friendly little chats about the weather or something. Give me a break!!! It's just completely insane that these people are getting away with this!
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06/23/2014 20:05:40
It is so curious as to all the calls to B.R. and C.S. which leads to more questions.

Are Brenda and Colleen still actually on the payroll? Are they being paid through accounting as "contract" workers through accounts payable rather than payroll to avoid having to report them as employees? If they are receiving compensation from SAIF in any manner, then we are again being lied to by Mr. Davies and Mr. Fleming management (shock!).

This is all so wrong. What happened in the board meeting was horrible to witness from our seats and even more so from the seat of John Plotkin.

The Boards actions (and I am not capitalizing out of respect) were deplorable. SAIF employees are under so much stress and angst. We received a statement from EC to explain to our employees which, if read out loud, sounds as though we are robots. Really? Now that the questions are dying down from policyholders, workers, providers - negative & snide comments are being voiced to us. There is no way to respond to those. Oh! But wait! That's right. If we are stressed out or being harassed, we can go to Mr. Gilkey's open door hours or to the two attorneys on the payroll of the DOJ who will be using (twisting) the information to use in their defense of the horrible actions by Davies, Fleming, and the board. Sure. Right. Talking to them is going to help.

I love SAIF and our ultimate goal for employers/workers of Oregon. This situation created the board, two of our executives, and apparently two who we've been told do not even work for us anymore has exploded. Please, Governor Kitzhaber, address this mess for your constituents so we can heal and move on to take care of Oregon's injured workers.
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06/23/2014 20:26:32
Brenda's cross examination....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk
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An innocent bystander at SAIF 06/24/2014 01:41:41
Too funny!
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ashamed and afraid 06/23/2014 20:43:59
"Salty" language? How does that compare to the photo of Brenda using a paddle on John Gilkey's derriere? . It was shown a few years back - maybe at the CSP report out meeting at the convention center. It was also a part of the slide show during the One Woman Show. Interesting that if you look back at the recorded version of the OWS, it is somehow missing.
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06/23/2014 21:54:02
Seriously, Mr. Fleming, you are struggling with what happened?!? You were one of the perpetrators! How do you think John Plotkin and his family feels about it?

Glad you got that "well deserved" day off. I know it must be exhausting organizing a VP mutiny, appointing a CEO puppet, and lying to the employees about it.
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saif employee 06/25/2014 05:16:03
I think the only thing that Fleming was struggling with was that he was suddenly aware that he was about to get caught.
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no name 06/23/2014 22:39:41
Well it seems Fleming and Davie have dialed themselves into disaster. The phone logs document numerous calls to Rocklin and to a lesser degree Sealock. If the calls were business related Rocklin/Sealock must be under contract to SAIF and those contracts should be released as part of the public records request. Any topic discussed outside of the contract specifics is a violation of policy. If there is no contract in force then at a minimum Fleming and Davie are using Company equipment excessively. Add on discussing internal business with an external party - serious problem!. If any SAIF employee made this many calls to a private non business related person they would be facing serious discipline up to and including termination. All these calls and not one phone call to Plotkin. Deplorable.
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06/23/2014 22:41:41
Based on the email the complaint about mr Davie was from someone on ec. The 5/13 email said they should have told ryan this at ec, but it doesn't matter. At this point someone needs to look into Brenda's continued running of the company even though she isn't being paid. Bob you should request the financials on what these executives are Bering paid currently and what Coleen and Brenda were/are being Paid for their consulting service. I suspect Colleen made a lot of money from saif since she retired and did a bunch of bogus consulting and I suspect this has been a lucrative mop up job for mr gilkey. You can also she that ryan was a hired hit man for Brenda. He probably tripled his salary from the lottery. Follow the money it will revile a lot including people ansomosity towards Brenda's cronyism.
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sylvester 06/23/2014 23:31:31
The Petition please sign the petition, I am impressed with the over 200 signatures already and I am looking for to our reaching the 1,000 person requirement.
I am also proud to be an employee of SAIF and witness those who are bold enough to put there name out. If I could resign the petition I would post my name on it as well.
I have sent this to family and friends and asked them to consider the current situation, if they believe an injustices has been committed then please sign the petition. My family represent fire fighters, law enforcement, logging, and farming in Oregon I hope they are forwarding it to there worker mates and friends, this is an Oregon issue that will affect Oregon employers
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06/23/2014 23:40:38
Teats or tits....anyone can mishear anything...June 23, 2014...from Huff Post...

WASHINGTON - On Friday evening, Marion Barry sat with a group of journalists and delivered a stirring defense of yogurt.

"Yogurt is more healthy than a lot of things," Barry, the four-time mayor of Washington, D.C., civil rights icon, Ward 8 council member and avatar for dysfunctional local governments everywhere, said. "As is cottage cheese. The best kind of yogurt is organic, without all these fillers and stuff."

Technically, a reporter had asked about a well-publicized tax on yoga studios under consideration in the D.C. Council, not a tax on yogurt. But Barry had misheard the question -- perhaps due to the noisy singles mixer at the other end of LOOK, the posh K Street restaurant lounge where the Q&A was being held.

Now Marion Barry has an excuse. He probably ruined his hearing with all the drugs he used. What's Brenda's excuse.
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Skeptical@SAIF 06/24/2014 00:34:12
Shannon Rickard may be a great person but she is still the VP of Legal and the holder of public records as well as responds to ALL records requests. If people don't think she is involved or at least withholding documents for SAIF/DOJ they are mistaken. She came from DOJ at Brenda's bequest. Mike Mueller also was moved away from Legal and then she swept in. Its too many coincidences for me.

If you know or helping Davies and Flemming you need to stop Ms. Rickard. Don't be a sheep.
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Kathryn Olney 06/24/2014 21:14:18
You may call out Mr. Davie and Mr. Fleming based upon documents that have been released. However, you need to be mindful of the difference between them and anyone else, on which you have no evidence. Additionally, you need to remember that lawyers are bound by rules of professional ethics to keep confidences of their clients while giving them legal advice. I am sure that Ms. Rickard is and has always been very mindful of doing the right thing as the lawyer for SAIF (not for individuals within SAIF, but for the company as an entity), and while we may be unaware of what she is doing, I am sure she is doing everything within her power to attend to what is right. While the passion of my co-workers in calling for justice is admirable, it should be tempered by evidence. I am confident that ultimately the evidence will confirm that Ms. Rickard is an ethical and principled lawyer, and this anonymous and vague accusation was simply wrong.
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saif employee 06/25/2014 05:25:23
I agree with Kathryn. Please do not accuse Shannon Rickard of being part of the Fleming/Davie/Rocklin/McHugh plot. I have heard from many people within and outside of our legal department that Shannon had nothing to do with this. Unfortunately for her, as the VP of legal, she is prohibited by attorney/client privilege from disclosing information to the rest of us.
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06/25/2014 04:30:35
I agree. Leave her out of it.
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Full disclosure 06/24/2014 22:36:03
So you don't want people to jump to conclusions, then you jump to the conclusion "that ultimately the evidence will confirm that Ms. Rickard is an ethical and principled lawyer, and this anonymous and vague accusation was simply wrong." Kathryn Olney is a SAIF attorney. Rickard is the VP of legal services. At least we're licking boots with transparency....
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Pitchforks down.... 06/25/2014 04:41:06
Ms. Rickard is the gatekeeper for all public records requests. If she were covering (withholding documents) to protect Davie and Flemming, she did a terrible job because she was in charge of giving out the damning evidence we've seen on this site. I know many people want to know everything immediately, and it's easy to see perps when you're looking at a police line up, but let's be patient and let the evidence come out, lest other viewers of the site see us as a mob hell bent on burning Salem to the ground.
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06/25/2014 03:12:46
Just because Shannon is her VP doesn't mean she's licking boots. I also do not believe Shannon is involved.
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06/25/2014 01:42:13
I've seen no evidence against Ms. Rickard. Making false accusations puts you in the same boat as a couple of VP's who have gotten a lot of bad press lately... think about it!

Not everyone is bad. Stick to the known facts. VP + attorney doesn't = guilty. Unless of course you're into making false accusations.
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06/24/2014 05:06:57
It is important to remember a post from Kim Plotkin earlier in one of Bob Wilson's other blog articles. We know that Chris Davies and Ryan Fleming are involved. There is no evidence of anyone else at this time. There may be others, but Kim posted at one point that John Plotkin did have a good relationship with a lot of the other VP's. Shannon might be involved, but naming anyone else without evidence can be hurtful if incorrect.

Governor Kitzhaber, this is just one of the reasons we need your staff to investigate this matter. We have some great leaders at SAIF. Because of what a few have done, no one really knows who to trust. Please help us!
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06/24/2014 02:52:53
This is not true
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06/24/2014 01:41:47
You really, truly have no idea what you are talking about.
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06/25/2014 02:58:02
Then what is the truth...I'm listening.
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twwnw 06/24/2014 02:53:23
Really, Brenda?
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just wondering 06/24/2014 02:06:56
I am just wondering, If SAIF had records of my phone calls with ex-employees as there appears to be in the current situation with Mr. Fleming and Mr. Davie, (in connection with an obvious event that should not have been discussed with former employees, isn't that a breech of confidentiality?30) would I be able to set one foot in SAIF's doors? I sincerely doubt that. The double standard is blatantly obvious. As a long-term SAIF employee I am quickly losing faith...I thought we used to do the right thing? How can I continue to come to work and have faith that HR will do the right thing? At some point, we walk..and all that is left is a shell of a company. Ethics actually mean something, at least before this, I thought they did. Mr.
Gilkey, please, I implore you to do the right thing, we need to begin healing.
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I can't believe it 06/24/2014 03:02:36
I used to work for a company that I believed in. I used to think that the leaders of my company had the best interests of Oregon, employers, injured workers and employees in mind. I always knew there were some politics involved, that is inevitable. What I didn't know was the depths that some would stoop to. Brenda, couldn't you just let us go? You made your money, you had the reputation you wanted, you could have rode off into the sunset, coming back to the 100 yr. celebration as an appreciated former CEOm but you just couldn't do that.. The managers of SAIF knew there was terror involved in your regime, but we did not let everyone know. We protected those that reported to us, and it would have all been kept protected, but you had to let your Ego get the best of you. I cannot fathom why you risked ethics charges by interacting about confidential information after you left. Colleen, your partner is a supreme court justice, it seems you would know better. Ryan, you are the VP of HR, the employees of SAIF entrusted that you would treat us fairly, what are we left you think about now? Chris, such a sad way to end a career. Has it been worth it? Cathy Travis and et al on the Board...why are you staying? You have breeched any respect that employees might have had for you. Please, just ride off into the sunset and move on. John Gilkey, you have had a distinguished career at SAIF. Ryan and Chris chose you as the next leader of SAIF, and unfortunately, they set you up, though you have had the chance to step up to the challenge, sadly, you haven't succeeded. Your messages are really lacking, it is becoming somewhat a joke. I implore you to let the employees of this company prepare to move forward, you have a couple of personnel decisions that can be made to start the healing, you might consider for the benefit of all involved that it is time for two VP's to go, and definitely time to call the Governor's office to ask for a new Board. You might gain some support with these decisions. The 800 plus employees of this company are committed to customer service, and delivering benefits, we have never wavered from that, What we need is a leadership that will take us forward, including a Board and some VP's that will respect us. There are VP's on EC that are very supportive of doing the right thing, We need to rebuild with them,. The employees are tired, they are embarrassed, they are upset and it is getting worse by the day. We cannot continue like this much longer. We need to move forward. We just need leadership to support us and some indication this will end soon. If there is something that truly supports Mr. Plotkin leaving SAIF, then share it. DOJ is only interested in winning litigation, we are interested and dedicated to moving SAIF forward in a positive direction. We are all smart, and we can figure it out, if not, settle this matter immediately, and let us begin to move forward. The very fiber of this company is hanging on by a thread, we cannot survive much longer.
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Stay the Course 06/24/2014 13:01:08
Unfortunately, this fiasco terminated THE man who could LEAD us out of this quagmire. John Gilkey doesn't have the ability to lead us. He is afraid of Fleming, Davie and Travis.

Sign the petition to bring John Plotkin back, so we can move forward.
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concerned colleague 06/24/2014 03:17:08
I work with co-workers who are professional, caring and committed. I also work with the same co-workers who are sick with grief, unbelieveably upset, and shocked that certain leaders and former leaders could have caused this predicament. Every day, it gets worse. It needs to end, we need to look to the future. Our respect is gone, we all have families, and it is much harder to tell them where we work, and why we work here. We are literally getting towards the last gasp. Someone has to listen and make some very quick decisions to move us forward, no matter how painful those decisions might be. John Gilkey? you have the current responsibility, will you live up to it?
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doglover16 06/24/2014 13:46:34
What started out as the lynching of an innocent man has evolved into quite possibly the biggest scandal that SAIF has seen our 100 years. It is not too late to get ahead of this and do some damage control! Governor--SAIF employees are crying out! We IMPLORE you to take action by replacing SAIF's Board of Directors! John Gilkey--you are interim CEO--what are you scared of? (rhetorical question, I know), but you have the control! Terminate the two known perpetrators! You can still save face!!
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06/24/2014 15:48:33
Brenda Rocklin’s stay at SAIF was long overdue. She made some positive changes but her “leadership” (I’m using that word loosely) style was horrific: a textbook example of how not to lead. She scared EC into submission - anyone who didn’t follow exactly what she wanted was terminated or demoted creating a dysfunctional senior management. John Plotkin was basically the opposite of BR – a welcomed change. I’m sure if he was at SAIF longer there would have been some things about him that we wouldn’t be thrilled about but there is no doubt he was a HUGE improvement from the dysfunctional leadership of BR. When “this” came down, I tried to remain neutral because I didn’t have all the facts, but now that the facts are trickling out, my frustration is growing. For me there is only one thing that will make me feel better about this. At first, I thought I’d support the decision IF there was an egregious comment that was made by Plotkin, but after reflection, for me, that is no longer the issue. The issue is simple – EVERY EMPLOYEE deserves a chance to receive coaching if there is a performance “issue”. Ryan Fleming, this is directed at you because as a VP of HR, shame on you for not recognizing this as this is HR 101. Termination should rarely come as a surprise. After hearing of a comment that could have been construed as inappropriate, why didn’t someone say something to him? What about after the second or third? It has become clear the reason that didn’t occur is there was a master plan by at least two VP’s to oust Plotkin so BR could return. The only thing that will make me get behind this decision is if there are documented discussions with Plotkin and his failure to make improvement and I think the odds of that are slim to none. John Gilkey, you can salvage this, but it is going to require you to get rid of the VP’s who did not follow the rules or at a minimum, demand an independent investigation. Please step up to the plate and be the leader we need to get out of this mess. Our talented and dedicated employees deserve it.
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Rex Reed 06/24/2014 17:28:15
Fantastic news: Chris Davie is retiring June 30, 2014. On vacation until then. No party. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. ....oh well. One down, 8 to go...( including the whole BOD)....
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A SAIF Chick 06/24/2014 17:37:42
News this morning, VP Chris Davie submitted his resignation. Effective June 30th.
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ashamed and afraid 06/24/2014 17:41:06
One down. I wonder if Mr. Davie believes retiring is going to keep him from being held accountable for the horrific things he has done. I hope not. His actions should still have consequences.
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06/25/2014 02:03:40
I wonder if these VPs (Fleming, Davie, McHugh; maybe even Gilkey and Coney), by acting in their personal interest instead of the corporate interest, and thereby harming the SAIF brand and causing either a large settlement to be paid to Plotkin and/or subjecting the company to costly litigation if he sues for wrongful termination, might be ineligible for SAIF to pay their legal defense costs in the event they are sued by John Plotkin? That would be sweet revenge if they got sued and SAIF refused to pay their legal costs!
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sylvester 06/24/2014 17:57:41
RETIREMENT, START TELLING EMPLOYEES THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

BRING JOHN PLOTKIN BACK AND END THESE LIES AND DECEIPT DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE WE ARE THAT STUPID.
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06/24/2014 18:06:49
I think we all feel a bit like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, except there are no 'good guys' in this version. Flemming is playing the Tin Man (had to go away to find a heart), Davie is playing the Scarecrow (thinking none of this would come back to bite him), and Gilkey is the Cowardly Lion (seriously - save the policy holders the 300k and just appoint a sock puppet or an amoeba as interem CEO. You'll get the same value and can defray some of the legal costs SAIF is surely racking up). Brenda is the wicked witch who dropped a house on the good witch (Ploktin), and Colleen is her flying monkey, doing her every bit of dirty bidding. If only there was a way for all of us to wake up and see it was only a terrible dream.
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Just Done 06/24/2014 20:18:41
Let's all start clicking our heals three times!
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